http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ Just another bbPress community en-US Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:41:56 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/search.php http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=21#post-75 Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:08:58 +0000 llewjohnson 75@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>The starting conversation;</p> <p>On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:19 PM, llewjohnson &lt;llewjohnson@seanet.com&gt; wrote:<br /> Hi Guys,</p> <p>I’ve read and enjoyed much that you’ve written. I’m very happy to see your plans for an expedition model rowing kayak. I’ve both paddled (Arluk III) and rowed (Little River Marine’s Heritage Classic 18’) much of the inside passage. My trips are solo. I’m getting older (or perhaps lazy) and keep dreaming of a day when I don’t have to “bull” my boat/gear up and down the beach. </p> <p>Several solutions come to mind. First, I could restrict my travels to equatorial regions and associated minimal tidal range. Second, I could transfer to a shallow-draft boat large enough to sleep-on…perhaps a Sea Pearl 21…it sails well, but is a poor rower. Or third…, like Stuart Marshall’s kayak (see the paddling artist of Malcolm island), would it be possible to reconfigure the cockpit and bulkheads of your expedition rowing kayak to allow sleeping while anchored? </p> <p>Your many adventures have made you aware of the issues associated with sleeping onboard…the need to keep sleeping bag dry (from moisture above and below), the desire to boil a little water for tea/rice, etc, etc.</p> <p>What do you think…can your Expedition Model be modified for sleeping aboard?</p> <p>Looking forward to your thoughts.</p> <p>Wishing you the best in this new venture, </p> <p>Llew in Kirkland, WA</p> <p>"Hello Llew,</p> <p>Great to hear from a fellow adventurer. Sounds like you've explored some pretty amazing parts of the world in small boats. Yes, the Expedition definitely could be modified to sleep in. We actually have a fellow in Norway who's building a boat, and is making some minor changes to do exactly that. </p> <p>Currently, there is an opening in the middle bulkhead to allow long items of gear to be stored, but it's not quite large enough to slide your legs through comfortably. This hole can be enlarged significantly if the bulkhead is made thicker - either by doubling up the ply or using a thicker piece of plywood. There would still be room to store your equipment in the rear hatch, and in the extreme forward section. Bedding, of course, could just be stored in the main area. The main hatch could be left off and in the cockpit at night, or could be set loosely in place if it's cold or you're expecting rain. There is enough depth that you can roll over from side to side. A thin Thermarest style pad could provide adequate cushioning.</p> <p>This winter, I may design a new boat specifically for camping on board. It will be similar to the Expedition, but with a few minor changes. The cockpit will be configured to sit two people at a small table, the forward deck will be slightly higher, and the boat will be one foot longer. At this stage, however, I can't say whether or not I will have time to design this new boat.</p> <p>I hope that helps. Please let me know if you have any other questions.</p> <p>Cheers,</p> <p>Colin</p> <p>To Colin,</p> <p>Thanks for your thoughts regarding sleep-aboard possibilities...I'm now even more convinced that the Expedition may be the right craft for me. </p> <p>What opportunites are there to take a trial row? I feel this is an important step in the process of making the decision to commit my winter to building an Expedition. I can travel to where-ever and would love to spend an hour or so on the water.</p> <p>Llew from Kirkland, WA </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=20#post-74 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 04:55:14 +0000 drdan 74@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Haven't started the boat yet, thats a fall project. Just a note about open hull rowing shells in rough water. A group of very experienced rowers from Victoria recently returned from Alma, Quebec where they participated in a 42 km marathon. Other rowers include ex olympians and a woman who had completed a row across the pacific. They were rowing in Alden open water singles and doubles provided by the club. These are open cockpit boats with very low freeboard that are designed for open water rowing. Many were heavily modifed with flotation bags to fill dead space and heavy duty bailing systems. They have used these boats in moderate chop for years with no problems. This year the waves were breaking and 4 - 6 feet high. Bottom line - they all sunk. Best distance was about 15 km. The only boats that finished were kayaks, surf skis and dory like boats with decks. It would have been very interesting to see how one of your expedition boats would have done. I suspect very well. Open hulled boats are just not designed for heavy seas, too much open area to take on water and no realistic way to remove it while still rowing. </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=19#post-70 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:19:32 +0000 petersont 70@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Hello-<br /> Novice rower thinking about ordering a pair of your oars... what blade type do you use most often? How do you determine ideal length? Do you make the oars you sell yourself?<br /> And last but not least, how much is shipping to the NY, USA?</p> <p>thanks </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=17#post-61 Fri, 14 May 2010 11:54:55 +0000 Adrian V 61@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Hi Colin,<br /> I am wondering if you (or anyone) can tell me the weight of a sheet of 4.5mm and 6mm okoume and the exact size of the sheets. I ask as I have just unloaded a pile of Fijian marine ply and it seems excellent quality and very light. I was going to do the bottom in 4.5mm as I was concerned about the weight, but if the stuff is light enough, I will revert to using 6mm on the bottom.</p> <p>Many thanks,</p> <p>Adrian </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=18#post-65 Sat, 22 May 2010 16:57:09 +0000 Jenso 65@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Hej<br /> Now we´ve started building my expedition rowboat. BIG thanks for the plans that you sent. They really helped a lot and the fact that you did send them was a great comfort sincie it shows your dedication to this thing.<br /> Progress is slow but smooth. After three days of preparation we´ve just stitched the hull together and right now the glue i curing in the seems. It´s really rewardning as it all fits and works out very well.<br /> I am building the boat toghether with my brother who´s a lot more expericened in boatbuilding than I am, and we´ve done a few things diffrently but nothing dramatic. Only problem was the fit of the aft bulkhead (3) wich seemd to be 3mm to small and we´ve wondered why for a while, but in the end we couldn´t see no reason not to make a new bulkhead - sligthly bigger - and fit in the right position. Seems OK after thourogh inspection, the sheerlines looks just fine.<br /> Otherwise we´ve made the opening in the forward bulkhead (1) a little wider, with the intention to having the possiblity to crawl into the "hold" and have nap during longer trips. So the opening was made to give som more room for the legs. Will try to put some extra fibre on the bulkehead to stiffen it a bit.<br /> We were also very happy with drilling all the holes in the panels before we started stitching it all. Had to be very carefull of course but in the end it worked out really well. </p> <p>Take a look at my blog <a href="http://www.jensoblog.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jensoblog.blogspot.com</a>. Its all in swedish, but the text is most emoitional anyway:) But the picutures may tell some more!!! </p> <p>Best regards<br /> Jenso Samuelsson</p> <p>Next session will be next weekend, weather permitting </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=12#post-44 Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:49:29 +0000 tamimendonca 44@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Hi,<br /> I'd like a rowboat for the purpose of being able to tow behind my bike, open water trips, etc. I'm not a big person so am looking for the lightest possible material. I have no experience with boat building, but know some people who do. Do you have any thoughts on building with carbon fiber? Do you know if there is a significant weight difference between this and wood? Also, is it possible to purchase something like this already built? Thanks! Tami </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=16#post-59 Thu, 13 May 2010 12:43:34 +0000 Adrian V 59@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Hi Colin,</p> <p>I am still trying to source the materials to build the expedition boat and I am unsure how much stuff to order when trying to convert from your quantities to kg in Australia. More specifically:</p> <p>3 gallons of resin + hardener = ?kg?<br /> 1 Gallon wood flour = ? kg Cabosil glue powder?<br /> 1 Quart Micro balloons = ?kg Q-Cells of fairing powder?<br /> 6oz glass cloth = ?gm cloth?</p> <p>I can get 1m (40") wide 200gm fibreglass cloth fairly easily. Would this be wide enough to cover the bottom and deck? My other alternative is to double up with 600mm wide cloth.</p> <p>Many thanks,</p> <p>Adrian </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=15#post-56 Wed, 12 May 2010 16:29:12 +0000 Bill 56@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>I'm currently building the sliding seat and riggers for my boat and am wondering about using 3/4" fir plywood for the riggers instead of dimensional timber. I've got some good quality ply sitting in my garage and it would save me a few bucks. </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=14#post-53 Tue, 04 May 2010 18:54:05 +0000 Tanzanite 53@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Hello,</p> <p>In addition to the detailed explanation of modifying ~17-20 ft. sailboats for ocean rowing, the folks at <a href="http://www.habitatcrew.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.habitatcrew.com</a> have also showed the potential of modifying older sailboats for long distance trips.<br /> I am wondering if smaller sailboats in the 14-17ft. range that were built more for day sailing would also be good candidates for conversion to a rowing vessel. Obviously they may be less than ideal for open seas conditions, but do you see any issues that would prevent them from being capable rowers for calm water weekend trips?</p> <p>Thanks,</p> <p>Matt<br /> North Carolina </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=13#post-49 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 04:20:32 +0000 Adrian V 49@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Hi Colin,</p> <p>I am trying to source some ply for my Expedition Rowboat, but I am only able to get good Gaboon<br /> (Occume) from Tasmania and the freight costs are very high. I can get some Fijian Cedar marine ply locally (well 300 miles away!), that is good stuff (Aus standard, no voids, A/A face), but it is not classed as a light ply like Occume. I can get it in 4.5 mm and 6.5mm and I am wondering if it might be possible to build the boat all in 4.5mm, in an attempt to keep the weight down? Another option might be to keep the bottom 6.5mm but do the bulkheads in 4.5mm, (or visa versa?) What do you think?</p> <p>Thanks,</p> <p>Adrian </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=11#post-37 Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:45:27 +0000 Sam Hewitt 37@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Am in the planning stage of getting ready to build your Expedition boat using your kit and plans. My question is has anyone used the Piantedosi "sliding wing" rigger in one of your boats, and if so how did it work out? Any info on the subject will be greatly appreciated as I have a Virus with a sliding wing and really like the wing, but not too hot on the danged boat, too small a payload and too tippy for what I do.</p> <p>Thanks, Sam </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=10#post-33 Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:38:00 +0000 Chirobase 33@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Colin:<br /> I am considering building one of your boats in my basement. What is the minimum size of a window to move a completed boat thru i.e. freeboard, beam etc.<br /> thanx<br /> mike /penobscott bay maine </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=8#post-26 Sun, 04 Apr 2010 05:50:20 +0000 simon gee 26@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Have just finished filleting and taping the inside of the hull and I have a few observations.<br /> When cutting out the sheer panel, I found it very difficult to obtain a fair curve at the bottom leading edge and I had to recut it to make the joint with the bilge panel . In my view the sheer panel offsets should be redrawn thus.... at the 1.0" intermediate station (N/A 1-0)<br /> at the 1 ft station (8-0 1-2)<br /> at the 2ft station (8-0 1-4)<br /> This gives a nice fair curve and a tight joint with the bilge panel<br /> Fitting the bulkheads: Aft bulkhead was a good snug fit,,,, middle bulkhead was 1/2 "too short top to bottom and 3/4" too narrow at the base.. this was easily remedied by adding a narrow strip to the bottom before filleting......Forward bulkhead...do not cut this out according to the pattern... I repeat DO NOT cut this out or you will waste a very valuable and expensive piece of plywood.. it is 2" too narrow at the base, 3" too narrow at the sheer , and 2 1/2 " too short top to bottom. It will not fit anywhere on the boat! Best to make your own pattern with a bevel gauge and tape measure<br /> Apart from these teething problems, the project seems to be going well and the boat is looking good. As I work out of town all week, I only have a few hours on the weekend to spend on it.<br /> I would guess that no "trial boat" was ever built from the set of plans.. perhaps my boat is the trial boat.... Any way will keep you informed.....<br /> Cheers Simon G </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=9#post-31 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:29:00 +0000 Jayhawk 31@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Any word on the oar plans? I saw they were on the 'store' and were expected to be available the 16 and now nothing... </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=4#post-12 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:18:12 +0000 Colin 12@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>We have received a few queries regarding the difference between building from plans or a kit.</p> <p>The actual degree of technical difficulty in building is almost the same. The main advantage of a kit is it saves you time. Time is saved not having to run around to numerous shops (often not even in your town) collecting the various materials required. And time is saved by not having to loft and cut out the panels yourself. Another advantage of using pre-cut CNC parts is the margin of error will be less due to the precision of computer guided CNC machines. Although CNC-cut components are more accurate, the level of error encountered when lofting and cutting your own panels (done properly) is well within the range of acceptability, and you will not see a difference in the finished boat.</p> <p>Generally, overall costs are a little lower when you build from plans, especially if you purchase the components from competitive retailers. Often, because of the scarcity of certain materials used (including Okoume plywood), retailers heavily overcharge bringing costs up significantly. We do offer material kits that include everything (from resin to hatch straps and clips) apart from wood components for those who wish to simplify the process. </p> <p>The amount of additional building time required constructing from plans compared to a kit is about one to two days. The extra work required is lofting (scaling the drawings from the plans onto the wood – detailed in our plans manual) and then cutting the wood pieces out. Cutting can be done with a variety of saws including a jig saw or a regular handsaw. For an accurate cut, one or two mm is left between the saw cut and the line, and the final bit of material is shaved off with a block plane for a smooth accurate finish.</p> <p>Once the wood panels are cut, the rest of the building process is the same for both kits and plans. </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=7#post-23 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:00:15 +0000 Bill 23@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>I was hoping to buy a full kit, but now it looks like I'll have to get plans instead if I'm to build it this spring. What is involved in building from plans? How much longer will it take, and will the total cost be less or more than if I build from a kit? Also, do the boat plans include directions to build the riggers and sliding seat?</p> <p>Thanks </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=6#post-20 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:55:41 +0000 Jenso 20@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>The Expedition certainly looks impressive, but keep wondering how well she tracks depending on sidewinds and fore and aft trim. How does she behave without cargo in the forward compartment? Is there any need for ballast?</p> <p>J </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=5#post-16 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:08:29 +0000 Fighter Jet 16@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>I just received my plans in the mail, thanks! Just wondering if you have any recommendations on where I can get marine plywood suitable for the boat? I've been to Home Depot, and no luck. I live in Toronto if anyone has any suggestions. </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=3#post-5 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:16:25 +0000 BrianP 5@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>Hi from the UK, hopefully I am already on your list.</p> <p>I have 9 sheets of very high quality Bryunzeel 20 year guaranteed plywood and am hoping the Expedition design uses 4mm? How many sheets are needed for one boat?</p> <p>Also have just managed to buy a pair of 3m carbon sculls, so getting there!</p> <p>Brian </p> http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/topic.php?id=2#post-2 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:50:22 +0000 Julie Angus 2@http://angusrowboats.com/support/forum/ <p>We've taken these boats in rough water off the west coast of Vancouver Island, the North Sea in Northern Scotland and the Black Sea. </p>